1 00:00:11,900 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:22,170 --> 00:00:11,910 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:25,030 --> 00:00:22,180 [Music] 4 00:00:29,609 --> 00:00:25,040 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 5 00:00:32,770 --> 00:00:29,619 episode number 549 for the 28th of April 6 00:00:35,530 --> 00:00:32,780 2019 rrett saunders here with you from 7 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:35,540 sunny sunny sunny but nicely sunny 8 00:00:39,970 --> 00:00:37,280 Sydney Australia I say that when I'd 9 00:00:42,190 --> 00:00:39,980 mean by that is it says nice sunny day 10 00:00:44,710 --> 00:00:42,200 it's not ridiculously hot so you can 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:44,720 walk around outside and not come back a 12 00:00:50,049 --> 00:00:47,690 sweaty mess I do appreciate that coming 13 00:00:52,750 --> 00:00:50,059 up on this week's spooky skeptic zone we 14 00:00:56,290 --> 00:00:52,760 speak to Kenny Biddle an investigator 15 00:00:59,310 --> 00:00:56,300 and columnist for CSI and he recently 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:00:59,320 did an investigation into these 17 00:01:06,670 --> 00:01:03,650 so-called spirit boxes now it's not a 18 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:06,680 box with a spirit inside that's an 19 00:01:10,899 --> 00:01:07,460 interesting thought 20 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:10,909 it's a radio that scans the frequencies 21 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:15,820 and plays short bursts of each frequency 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:18,560 anyway you'll get the idea when we talk 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:22,010 to Kenny I include an example of what 24 00:01:26,110 --> 00:01:24,650 this spirit box sounds like can you 25 00:01:29,050 --> 00:01:26,120 communicate with the Dead through 26 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:29,060 technology probably not but find out 27 00:01:32,950 --> 00:01:31,070 with Kenny Biddle coming up at the top 28 00:01:35,050 --> 00:01:32,960 of the show following that we catch up 29 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:35,060 with susan gerbic from guerrilla 30 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:38,360 skepticism on wikipedia we often catch 31 00:01:43,210 --> 00:01:41,030 up with Susan at the moment or when I 32 00:01:46,810 --> 00:01:43,220 did the recording a few days ago she was 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:46,820 in Scotland in Edinburgh as part of her 34 00:01:53,290 --> 00:01:50,450 UK tour with the Mentalist mark Edward 35 00:01:56,350 --> 00:01:53,300 and I'm rather jealous of Mark and Susan 36 00:01:58,450 --> 00:01:56,360 visiting the UK and especially Scotland 37 00:02:00,580 --> 00:01:58,460 then to round off the show a report from 38 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:00,590 the skeptic magazine diving back some 39 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:04,460 years into a ghost investigation in 40 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:07,580 Queensland haunted houses mediums and 41 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:10,670 ghostly graveyards also in this week's 42 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:12,400 show somewhere in this week's show 43 00:02:19,149 --> 00:02:17,510 Maynard tries a Twinkie yeah I always 44 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:19,159 bring back Twinkies from the United 45 00:02:24,130 --> 00:02:21,260 States my nieces and nephews just love 46 00:02:26,979 --> 00:02:24,140 them what does may not think of Twinkies 47 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:26,989 that that appears somewhere in the show 48 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:29,780 this week I think somewhere a couple of 49 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:32,510 quick announcements from me now before 50 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:33,630 we get into the show 51 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:36,060 if you're in Sydney on the 4th of May 52 00:02:41,450 --> 00:02:38,870 the Australian skeptics have a free flu 53 00:02:42,620 --> 00:02:41,460 vaccination day and that will be at the 54 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:42,630 East Sydney 55 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:46,020 doctors if you want to register to come 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:47,400 along for that there should be a lot of 57 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:51,330 fun yeah it is I did it last year it was 58 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:53,970 a lot of fun hmm that's an odd way to 59 00:02:58,070 --> 00:02:55,590 think about it getting a flu vaccination 60 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:58,080 there's a lot of fun I'll put a link in 61 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:00,540 this week's show notes and who knows you 62 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:02,460 might even end up on the sceptic zone 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:05,100 and my dear friend Eugenie Scott reminds 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:07,770 us that the skeptic owl one-day 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:10,290 conference is coming up on Sunday the 66 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:15,090 9th of June in San Francisco and early 67 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:18,230 bird discounts for that one-day event 68 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:21,390 ends on the 30th of this month so only 69 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:23,430 in a couple of days to find out more 70 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:25,440 about that event follow the link in this 71 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:29,100 week's show notes or just visit WWF 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:33,900 decal con that's one word.com and one 73 00:03:40,790 --> 00:03:36,330 last things it just and one last thing 74 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:40,800 that just popped up today a memory from 75 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:44,310 way back in 2013 my friend Rebecca Jones 76 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:48,270 posted the fact that she was in an audio 77 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:51,780 adventure solar flare and if you haven't 78 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:53,310 heard solar flare it's something the 79 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:55,050 skeptic zone did some years ago as I 80 00:04:00,830 --> 00:03:58,400 said it's a space adventure with the 81 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:00,840 team from the solar flare or the team 82 00:04:07,850 --> 00:04:03,920 from the skeptic zone as it was in 2013 83 00:04:11,330 --> 00:04:07,860 battling evil forces throughout the 84 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:11,340 galaxy including Jay novella Solar Flare 85 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:14,310 and the band of power and you can hear 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:16,500 that audio adventure if you go to 87 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:19,770 skeptic zone dot TV and scroll right to 88 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:21,810 the bottom of the page and now it's time 89 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:23,610 for me to run downstairs and see if main 90 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:26,310 art has left me any Twinkies well I do 91 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:29,220 that I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone 92 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:36,730 [Music] 93 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:39,090 [Applause] 94 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:45,300 [Music] 95 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:47,860 and joining me now all the way from 96 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:50,080 beautiful Philadelphia historical 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:51,790 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 98 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:55,210 it's Kenny Biddle hello Kenny hi hey 99 00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:57,610 dude I'm doing really well you know what 100 00:05:01,950 --> 00:04:59,440 I came across an article the other day 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:01,960 and the skeptical inquirer which really 102 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:04,210 piqued my interest and it's all about 103 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:06,790 these so-called spirit boxes which we'll 104 00:05:11,490 --> 00:05:09,070 get to in a moment but just for the 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:11,500 benefit of our audience what are your 106 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:13,810 skeptical chops what are your skeptical 107 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:16,300 qualifications my skeptical 108 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:18,720 qualifications I am a curious person 109 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:21,310 that's that's really what it comes down 110 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:24,490 to I have a background in mechanics so I 111 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:26,830 was an auto mechanic for several years I 112 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:29,889 worked in aviation and also in the 113 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:32,110 medical industry I'm back in the 114 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:33,220 healthcare industry 115 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:37,060 so my entire background has been coming 116 00:05:42,659 --> 00:05:39,220 out and trying to diagnose a problem and 117 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:42,669 then fixing it so I've translated that 118 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:45,280 pretty well over to solving mysteries 119 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:47,289 and I also have a background in 120 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:49,750 photography they used to do like wedding 121 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:52,630 photography and family portraits so it 122 00:05:57,150 --> 00:05:54,430 all comes in handy when you're you know 123 00:05:59,100 --> 00:05:57,160 oh searching for ghosts and UFOs and 124 00:06:02,100 --> 00:05:59,110 stuff like that well let's talk about 125 00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:02,110 ghosts for a moment because the topic of 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:03,729 our interview really revolves around 127 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:05,770 well spirits and ghosts and things like 128 00:06:11,850 --> 00:06:09,520 that I love God I love ghost ghost 129 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:11,860 investigations haunting things like like 130 00:06:16,050 --> 00:06:13,150 that I mean I love the good 131 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:16,060 old-fashioned stuff and you are still 132 00:06:21,390 --> 00:06:19,270 doing periodically podcasts a podcast 133 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:21,400 called geeks and ghosts what's that all 134 00:06:26,610 --> 00:06:24,580 about well that was it actually started 135 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:26,620 with a friend of mine just casual 136 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:30,160 conversations my co-host Lou 137 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:33,010 Castillo lives in California so he's on 138 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:35,080 the other side of the country and we met 139 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:37,150 through a paranormal conference he 140 00:06:41,909 --> 00:06:39,039 actually flew out to my side of the 141 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:41,919 country and we met and we hit it off 142 00:06:46,590 --> 00:06:45,280 really well and once a week we would get 143 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:46,600 on skype and 144 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:48,970 we would chat while we were doing her 145 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:50,890 own hobbies I would be doing research 146 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:53,800 and writing articles and he would he 147 00:06:59,490 --> 00:06:56,470 actually builds model tanks and we would 148 00:07:03,470 --> 00:06:59,500 sit there for hours and hours on skype 149 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:03,480 just just talking about pop culture and 150 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:08,080 hobbies and ghosts and Bigfoot and one 151 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:09,730 night we just decided hey why don't we 152 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:16,410 that's great that's just so organic 153 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:19,570 annoy yeah yeah it was great it's just 154 00:07:24,750 --> 00:07:22,870 to to friends just having fun having a 155 00:07:26,490 --> 00:07:24,760 casual conversation and we don't filter 156 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:26,500 ourselves we just say what we want to 157 00:07:30,690 --> 00:07:29,110 say we say what's on our mind and we 158 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:30,700 record it and we put it out there and 159 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:33,310 you know they're there people listen so 160 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:35,800 it's fun that's great 161 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:37,210 look folks I'll link to that in the show 162 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:39,700 notes anyway and talking about ghosts 163 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:41,050 and things like that 164 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:43,300 this article I'm referring to again 165 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:45,100 links in the show notes really revolves 166 00:07:49,170 --> 00:07:47,290 around what we know is a spirit box 167 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:49,180 which we'll get to in a moment but you 168 00:07:53,910 --> 00:07:51,690 must have come across of an interesting 169 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:53,920 variety of so-called ghost-detecting 170 00:08:01,890 --> 00:07:57,850 equipment yeah there's there's a lot out 171 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:01,900 there from EMF meter's to using the Xbox 172 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:05,500 Kinect as a ghost finder and then these 173 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:07,570 radios that are that's what they 174 00:08:12,420 --> 00:08:09,430 basically are the spirit boxes are 175 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:12,430 basically just radios and they they 176 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:14,260 fiddle with them so that you can hear 177 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:17,590 the as they scan through the available 178 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:20,230 broadcast you don't get that muting 179 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:22,780 option so it doesn't take out the static 180 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:24,910 you hear everything it's pretty much I 181 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:27,640 mean I'm I'm dating myself but the old 182 00:08:31,650 --> 00:08:29,590 car radios and the old radios that I 183 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:31,660 grew up with or you had to turn the dial 184 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:34,330 in order to change the station that's 185 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:36,729 exactly what you're hearing i well 186 00:08:41,370 --> 00:08:39,520 remember that's how I grew up too if you 187 00:08:43,260 --> 00:08:41,380 just twiddle the knobs so to speak you 188 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:43,270 turn the dial and you go through the 189 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:44,890 frequencies and in between each 190 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:47,740 frequency of course each each station 191 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:50,290 would be just just static look folks 192 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:52,780 what I'll do now is I'll play a little 193 00:09:02,670 --> 00:08:56,680 clip of a spirit box in action this is 194 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:29,020 [Laughter] 195 00:09:34,580 --> 00:09:31,370 so that's it folks and as you can hear 196 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:34,590 it is rapidly this this device is 197 00:09:39,410 --> 00:09:37,920 rapidly scanning frequencies and how 198 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:39,420 does it work exactly does it does it 199 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:43,500 Kenny does it find a station lock on for 200 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:45,390 a split second then move off or is it 201 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:46,680 just randomly going through any 202 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:49,560 frequencies it's going through the 203 00:09:54,050 --> 00:09:52,620 stations it's linear so it goes from 204 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:54,060 that the lower frequencies up to the 205 00:10:00,290 --> 00:09:57,330 higher are free through its it's exactly 206 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:00,300 as if you just turn the dial and it 207 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:03,330 doesn't stop on the stations or the 208 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:05,940 broadcast that it it picks up it just 209 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:08,070 keeps going through them so not only 210 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:11,220 you're getting snippets little clips of 211 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:14,640 each station which can amount to half a 212 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:17,700 word to two or three words but you're 213 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:19,830 getting the bleeding over from station 214 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:22,530 the station so you can get a blending of 215 00:10:26,420 --> 00:10:24,720 stations and a blending of broadcast 216 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:26,430 which means you can get a few words from 217 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:27,900 one station and a few words from another 218 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:30,660 station which some ghost owners would 219 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:33,330 interpret as a full sentence yeah and 220 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:36,360 this when really this is where we bring 221 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:38,910 up the topic of pareidolia an audio 222 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:41,510 pareidolia in this case and people 223 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:44,220 hearing things that they want to hear or 224 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:46,230 hearing something and interpreting it as 225 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:48,570 something that sort of kind of makes 226 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:50,190 sense to them and you go into this in 227 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,580 the article don't you yes yes because 228 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:55,920 there is it's so easy just to pick out 229 00:11:01,040 --> 00:10:58,250 words because you're listening you're 230 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:01,050 literally listening to radio broadcast 231 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:04,020 so that means music commercials 232 00:11:08,390 --> 00:11:06,990 new stations any kind of broadcast 233 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:08,400 that's out there so you're gonna have 234 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:11,670 names and dates and places locations 235 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:12,870 you're gonna have all these words coming 236 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:15,930 out and if you're if you're a ghost 237 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:18,450 honor and and not all ghost owners do 238 00:11:21,950 --> 00:11:19,650 that I just want to make that clear 239 00:11:23,990 --> 00:11:21,960 not all of them do it but a lot too and 240 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:24,000 if they're at a haunted location and 241 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:26,280 they're they know the history they know 242 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:28,200 the ghost stories and they're listening 243 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:31,350 to all these random noises I guarantee 244 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:32,910 they're going to pick out answers to 245 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:35,490 their questions it's just it's just 246 00:11:40,570 --> 00:11:37,920 happens yeah you're absolutely right now 247 00:11:43,220 --> 00:11:40,580 I've seen this in action on a ghost 248 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:43,230 investigation I did in fact about five 249 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:45,600 years back in a graveyard at nighttime 250 00:11:50,170 --> 00:11:48,030 we were wandering around and the the 251 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:50,180 paranormal group I was with at the time 252 00:11:54,830 --> 00:11:52,020 investigating or just hanging out with 253 00:11:56,870 --> 00:11:54,840 had a spirit box and Alec came and just 254 00:11:59,560 --> 00:11:56,880 and away it went and they would ask 255 00:12:03,280 --> 00:11:59,570 questions and then they would listen to 256 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:03,290 30 40 50 seconds of this spirit box 257 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:06,090 churning away and every now and then you 258 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:07,800 would hear half a word or a full word 259 00:12:13,370 --> 00:12:09,600 and then it's ah you see they're saying 260 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:13,380 dead or they're saying this now you did 261 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:15,870 an interesting series of tests involving 262 00:12:21,370 --> 00:12:17,580 headphones can you tell me a little bit 263 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:21,380 about that well yeah yeah part of the 264 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:24,930 article topic was that the person who 265 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:26,700 suggested that you used noise-isolating 266 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:30,630 headphones in order to block out all the 267 00:12:34,820 --> 00:12:32,760 sound around the area the ambient sound 268 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:34,830 and also to listen to the spirit Fox 269 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:39,930 radio and I I had had this idea like all 270 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:42,330 right he's telling you to use noise 271 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:45,120 isolating not noise canceling so there's 272 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:45,900 a big difference 273 00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:48,300 noise cancelling actually it's an active 274 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:50,700 system where it there's a microphone in 275 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:53,070 the headpiece did the earphone piece and 276 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:56,220 it reads the ambient noise and it 277 00:13:00,680 --> 00:12:58,220 actually makes a reverse signal so it 278 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:00,690 cancels out all the noise so when you 279 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:02,550 put noise cancelling headphones on it 280 00:13:06,290 --> 00:13:04,710 literally blocks out everything it's 281 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:06,300 almost like a freaky little feeling when 282 00:13:11,930 --> 00:13:09,120 you put them on but yes in fact I've 283 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,940 been using those on long haul 284 00:13:16,510 --> 00:13:13,560 airplane flights they're quite good they 285 00:13:19,690 --> 00:13:16,520 block out the the noise of the engine 286 00:13:21,860 --> 00:13:19,700 yes yes but noise-isolating headphones 287 00:13:24,890 --> 00:13:21,870 are completely different 288 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:24,900 they depend mostly on the seal around 289 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,780 the ear that the cushion that's on the 290 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:30,000 earpiece that goes around your ear it 291 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:33,330 relies on that to block out a little bit 292 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:34,950 of the ambient noise and most of the 293 00:13:40,460 --> 00:13:37,590 time it's about 20 to 25 decibels which 294 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:40,470 isn't a lot considering that normal 295 00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:43,980 voice is about the normal human voice is 296 00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:47,160 about 60 to 70 decibels so it's not 297 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:49,590 gonna block at block that out but I 298 00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:50,940 wanted to test it for myself 299 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:53,480 and I actually went to one of the local 300 00:13:57,710 --> 00:13:55,530 electronic stores here in the states 301 00:14:00,770 --> 00:13:57,720 called Best Buy and I walked in and they 302 00:14:02,510 --> 00:14:00,780 have a large display of all these 303 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:02,520 headphones and I started putting them on 304 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:06,360 and every one that I did I could still 305 00:14:10,580 --> 00:14:09,060 hear conversations in the next aisle I 306 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:10,590 could still hear the music that was 307 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:13,470 playing on speakers a good 20 feet above 308 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:16,170 me so it didn't block out anything that 309 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:19,860 would that would save her for instance 310 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:21,780 if somebody was next to me asking 311 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:23,970 questions of ghosts I would still be 312 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:26,880 able to hear them and a funny part of 313 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:28,470 that story is that one of the 314 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:30,330 salespeople came up to me and asked what 315 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:32,220 I was doing and if they could help me 316 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:34,530 and I honestly told them this is what 317 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:38,550 I'm here for this blocks out all the 318 00:14:42,830 --> 00:14:40,410 noises and they're trying to get ghost 319 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:42,840 voices but not lives and other people 320 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:44,310 and that sparked a whole conversation 321 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:46,710 there was I think there were ended up 322 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:48,750 being seven or eight employees that came 323 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:50,850 over and we were all testing them all 324 00:14:55,970 --> 00:14:53,010 putting them on everybody's talking it 325 00:14:57,710 --> 00:14:55,980 was a fun time yeah that's what I love 326 00:14:59,450 --> 00:14:57,720 about being a skeptic and it's 327 00:15:02,360 --> 00:14:59,460 interesting to think that I mean in the 328 00:15:05,090 --> 00:15:02,370 mind of the ghost investigators there's 329 00:15:07,010 --> 00:15:05,100 the disembodied people with if you can 330 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:07,020 put it that way disembodied spirits or 331 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,150 spirits or entities or something like 332 00:15:14,060 --> 00:15:11,040 that they're floating about probably 333 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:14,070 near a graveyard and you turn up with 334 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:17,100 your spirit box and the ghost thing for 335 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:19,170 themselves ah here here it is will use 336 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:23,220 this will manipulate the airwaves to to 337 00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:25,890 bring our messages forward I mean you 338 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:27,180 gotta give them credit for some 339 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:28,710 imagination to come up with something 340 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:32,970 like this I agree because I mean I can't 341 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:34,230 do that without a whole bunch of 342 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:36,870 equipment I need I need equipment to do 343 00:15:40,999 --> 00:15:38,370 that I can't just do that by Mike 344 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,009 so for a ghost to do that I mean that's 345 00:15:45,019 --> 00:15:42,959 that's impressive 346 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:45,029 maybe they they're all ghosts of 347 00:15:51,379 --> 00:15:49,470 electrical engineers I don't know well 348 00:15:53,809 --> 00:15:51,389 that's great look it's a fascinating 349 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:53,819 story it's a good report I really 350 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:55,649 enjoyed reading it folks I recommend it 351 00:15:59,619 --> 00:15:57,660 to you and if you ever have the 352 00:16:03,170 --> 00:15:59,629 opportunity folks to go out on a ghost 353 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:03,180 investigation why not it's a lot of fun 354 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:04,769 apart from anything else and you do 355 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:06,540 learn something you learn something 356 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:09,600 about psychology and you get to see 357 00:16:16,939 --> 00:16:13,889 these strange and interesting ghost 358 00:16:19,389 --> 00:16:16,949 hunting equipment in action and there's 359 00:16:23,090 --> 00:16:19,399 also there's all sorts of meters and 360 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:23,100 things they use you're saying EMF meters 361 00:16:26,689 --> 00:16:25,050 before it's never-ending 362 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:26,699 well Kenny it sounds like you've been 363 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:28,290 having a lot more fun than me lately 364 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:31,230 looking for the ghosts and maybe we can 365 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:33,300 chat again soon but for now thanks very 366 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:34,410 much thank you 367 00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:48,480 oh hi Maynard 368 00:16:54,439 --> 00:16:51,360 oh hi Heidi great they're in this park 369 00:16:58,429 --> 00:16:54,449 yeah if you like that sort of thing look 370 00:17:02,569 --> 00:16:58,439 over there oh yeah we there are no such 371 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:02,579 things as Yowies silly hmm might be just 372 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:06,569 a dog a big dog I think it's a King 373 00:17:12,919 --> 00:17:08,130 Charles Spaniel thing 374 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:12,929 mmm no no no no it's a Yowie Maynard if 375 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:15,270 it's a choice between it being a dog or 376 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:16,049 a Yowie 377 00:17:21,949 --> 00:17:19,770 no no no it's ii yo ii yo ii yo ii yo ii 378 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:21,959 yo ii argument from Authority 379 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:26,220 it's yo e are you - what are you arguing 380 00:17:32,649 --> 00:17:29,070 about may not thinks that dog lookin 381 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:32,659 thing over there is a Yowie uh yeah II 382 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:37,020 well maybe Chu Becker the wookie over 383 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,320 her I see okay we better look this up in 384 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:42,960 the skeptics dictionary online though 385 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,570 Wow the skeptics dictionary online 386 00:17:48,990 --> 00:17:48,240 features definitions arguments and 387 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:49,000 essays 388 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:51,550 hundreds of strange beliefs amusing 389 00:17:56,970 --> 00:17:54,250 descriptions and dangerous delusions 390 00:17:59,790 --> 00:17:56,980 it also features dozens of entries on 391 00:18:03,120 --> 00:17:59,800 logical fallacies cognitive biases 392 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:03,130 perception science and philosophy 393 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:14,520 it's wws ke p di c common right ha d 394 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:17,590 prepared to be amazed 395 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:23,490 ok ah here it is send a Bigfoot it says 396 00:18:29,130 --> 00:18:27,010 most scientists discount the evidence of 397 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:29,140 Bigfoot because the evidence supporting 398 00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:30,970 belief in the survival of the 399 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:34,300 prehistoric biped ape-like creature of 400 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:37,990 such dimensions is scant you know maybe 401 00:19:11,089 --> 00:19:09,499 thank you skeptics dictionary online and 402 00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:11,099 joining me now all the way from 403 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:13,379 beautiful Edinburgh in Scotland the land 404 00:19:18,019 --> 00:19:15,809 I dream of it's Susan go back from 405 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:18,029 guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia hello 406 00:19:23,869 --> 00:19:19,369 Susan 407 00:19:25,819 --> 00:19:23,879 hi everybody hi Richard nice to catch up 408 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:25,829 with you again the last time we spoke 409 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:27,929 you were very excited about an upcoming 410 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:31,529 trip guerrilla skepticism on the road as 411 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:33,809 it were where have you been and what 412 00:19:39,769 --> 00:19:36,450 have you been up to well mark Edward and 413 00:19:45,379 --> 00:19:39,779 myself have been to Cardiff we've been 414 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:45,389 to Portsmouth we've been to London York 415 00:19:51,889 --> 00:19:49,459 and Glasgow and now we're in Edinburgh 416 00:19:54,829 --> 00:19:51,899 that's quite a busy trip and what was 417 00:19:57,459 --> 00:19:54,839 the main purpose for this trip well we 418 00:20:00,499 --> 00:19:57,469 were actually coming over to go to a 419 00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,509 prisoner conference in Port Marion Wales 420 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:03,179 that's at old 60s a sci-fi show that 421 00:20:10,879 --> 00:20:06,690 some people will have remembered from 422 00:20:13,009 --> 00:20:10,889 the from the 1960s and we decided we'd 423 00:20:15,379 --> 00:20:13,019 put together a tour and go and see some 424 00:20:18,139 --> 00:20:15,389 sceptic groups and speak and meet people 425 00:20:21,229 --> 00:20:18,149 and hang out and see what's going on in 426 00:20:24,529 --> 00:20:21,239 the UK a bit of a gorilla skeptical 427 00:20:26,539 --> 00:20:24,539 outraged my seat and what does this 428 00:20:30,709 --> 00:20:26,549 involve just you giving talks and and 429 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:30,719 Mark doing seances I think yeah actually 430 00:20:35,989 --> 00:20:32,940 we have been doing it talks together 431 00:20:37,749 --> 00:20:35,999 he's been talking about psychics and 432 00:20:41,180 --> 00:20:37,759 when psychic entertainment isn't 433 00:20:43,969 --> 00:20:41,190 entertainment and I've been talking 434 00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:43,979 about the GSO w Wikipedia project and 435 00:20:50,029 --> 00:20:47,339 then now that we're in Edinburgh marks 436 00:20:52,639 --> 00:20:50,039 doing seances he's got a couple more 437 00:20:54,769 --> 00:20:52,649 scheduled for this weekend well that's 438 00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:54,779 pretty exciting what does that involve 439 00:21:00,259 --> 00:20:57,480 exactly when Mach does a seance 440 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:00,269 well they're more of a Victorian Theon's 441 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:03,450 he does a lot of research about the area 442 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:06,809 in Edinburgh and he finds you know some 443 00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:12,570 story murdered somebody or somebody who 444 00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:16,919 was a villain and he does research on it 445 00:21:22,029 --> 00:21:20,760 and does the Victorian seance and we do 446 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:22,039 it in total darkness 447 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:25,610 whoo it's a lot of fun it really is 448 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:27,750 that's interesting you should say that 449 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:29,940 because recently has come to my 450 00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:33,210 attention there's been some footage put 451 00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:35,460 on the internet of a so-called psychic 452 00:21:41,269 --> 00:21:39,000 doing a mystical science all in the dark 453 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:41,279 and lo and behold the footage was taken 454 00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:43,860 with night vision and it shows us the 455 00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:47,460 the the so-called medium just stepping 456 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:50,460 out of his binds his bindings or 457 00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:53,130 whatever they are and running around and 458 00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,039 and basically faking it have you seen 459 00:22:02,320 --> 00:21:59,039 that oh yes I've seen that matt has but 460 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:02,330 that was really interesting very blatant 461 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:06,480 what mark is doing is obviously seances 462 00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:10,830 but it's all wink wink and nod nod we 463 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:13,799 you know the audience knows what's going 464 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:18,330 on there's no hiding yes absolutely so I 465 00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:19,500 guess it's more for fun and 466 00:22:26,539 --> 00:22:23,159 entertainment and importantly education 467 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:26,549 too yes absolutely it is for fun and 468 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:29,700 entertainment and you know we don't 469 00:22:38,389 --> 00:22:33,659 usually bring back the dead well not 470 00:22:40,820 --> 00:22:38,399 usually anyway all right so I and how is 471 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:40,830 the guerrilla skepticism you're part of 472 00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,500 the the to have been received right it's 473 00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,299 so it's a little early to find out if we 474 00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:48,240 have any new recruits from the UK I'm 475 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:50,760 really I'm hoping that they will contact 476 00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:54,330 me but usually we it's a few days 477 00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,460 afterwards that people who were 478 00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:58,679 interested in joining will actually 479 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,120 reach out and join so who knows I really 480 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:05,039 do need more people from the UK we have 481 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:07,049 so many Australians and so many 482 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:08,410 Americans 483 00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:11,110 and not so many people from the UK it's 484 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:15,880 very very cited you know but people are 485 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:18,280 responsive they are enjoying the lecture 486 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:20,770 they're asking good questions and they 487 00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:24,820 are giving me a lot of feedback and they 488 00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,920 are appreciating the work that my team 489 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:27,600 does 490 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:30,790 that's excellent have been have you been 491 00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:32,920 getting many comments or questions about 492 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:35,860 your recent article in The New York 493 00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:37,810 Times or the article that doe mentioned 494 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:40,870 you well that is interesting all of the 495 00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:44,200 different posts that we've had all the 496 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:46,390 different skeptic groups have brought up 497 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:49,240 the New York Times article in their 498 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:50,590 advertisement that we're going to be 499 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:53,050 speaking and then whenever we get to the 500 00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:55,690 lecture a lot of people most of the 501 00:23:59,880 --> 00:23:57,940 group haven't read it or know what we're 502 00:24:01,650 --> 00:23:59,890 talking about it seems that a lot of 503 00:24:04,350 --> 00:24:01,660 these meetups people just come to the 504 00:24:05,910 --> 00:24:04,360 meetups regularly that's their their 505 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:05,920 thing and they don't really know who the 506 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:09,250 speakers are they just attending the 507 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:12,130 lecture as they always do for social you 508 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:14,260 know to socialize or whatever and so 509 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:16,870 know a lot of people aren't quite aware 510 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,080 of what we do and a lot of people don't 511 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:23,200 know what the GSO W project is it's it's 512 00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:26,380 really been interesting how few people 513 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:30,790 even know what we're gonna be talking 514 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:34,120 about and for those people who may not 515 00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:36,700 have heard you on the show earlier what 516 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:38,980 we're talking about is a little while 517 00:24:46,110 --> 00:24:41,890 ago susan was involved in a sort of an 518 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,120 undercover operation to using fake 519 00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:48,580 information planted on facebook to show 520 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,740 that a medium was in fact using the 521 00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,440 psychic network of the internet rather 522 00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:55,720 than the psychic network of the other 523 00:25:00,980 --> 00:24:58,120 realms so yes that was all very 524 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:00,990 interesting and is there any further 525 00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:03,580 developments on that sort of front you 526 00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:07,240 can tell us about well we have a plan we 527 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:11,230 have we have a really really great plan 528 00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:15,610 set up but the media seems to be balking 529 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:18,520 at it we were trained in mind strong 530 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:20,180 media 531 00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:23,750 to cover it and help pay for it it's 532 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:28,030 very expensive what we want to do and we 533 00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:30,710 we're tired of preaching to the choir so 534 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:32,660 everything I'm trying to do when it 535 00:25:37,630 --> 00:25:35,510 comes to psychics nowadays is going to 536 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:37,640 be with media coverage in hand we 537 00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,050 already have the media coverage and you 538 00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,200 know it's pretty daring what we're gonna 539 00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:48,080 do so and I can only do it one time 540 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:51,590 because once it's done all the mediums 541 00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:53,450 are going to be aware of what we're 542 00:25:57,610 --> 00:25:56,360 about to do so I'm trying to so we're 543 00:26:01,420 --> 00:25:57,620 kind of holding off right at the moment 544 00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:01,430 waiting for the perfect opportunity with 545 00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:04,760 a news media and then of course the 546 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:06,590 funding is going to be quite a bit it's 547 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:10,730 about $12,000 whoo-hoo well I hope you 548 00:26:16,150 --> 00:26:14,080 can keep us updated when it's over 549 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:16,160 presumably because we don't want to give 550 00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:17,480 anything away well that's gonna be 551 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:18,860 interesting folks there's something to 552 00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,050 look out for there's something to look 553 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:23,840 out for in the future well good that you 554 00:26:27,550 --> 00:26:25,550 are having a good time I'm glad the tour 555 00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:27,560 has been successful for you and Mark 556 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:31,700 Edward in the UK and hopefully one day 557 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:33,710 the not-too-distant future we'll see you 558 00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:37,220 back here in sunny Australia oh yes 559 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:38,630 absolutely 560 00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:41,510 but for now from one of the most 561 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:44,300 enchanting cities surely in the world 562 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,580 edinburgh susan gerbic thank you very 563 00:27:03,170 --> 00:26:49,200 much thank you Richard talk soon 564 00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:06,450 Alaura ciao mi chiamo profesora de vo 565 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:08,670 tuvalu incendiary - teleca's su licencia 566 00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:12,400 para la moda physica de chemica bureau 567 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:16,780 gia astronomia Mathematica atonte ultra 568 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:20,140 cosy guarda miss Sulu tuba arrivederci 569 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:22,330 hey everyone this is Professor Dave I 570 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:24,040 want to teach you about all kinds of 571 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:25,780 things regarding science I want to tell 572 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:27,730 you about physics I want to tell you 573 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:31,120 about chemistry biology astronomy math 574 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:33,850 and many many more things come check me 575 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:35,530 out on youtube the channel is called 576 00:28:05,100 --> 00:27:42,790 [Applause] 577 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:07,289 now we continue our series of reports 578 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:10,570 and articles and items and things like 579 00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:12,460 that from the skeptic magazine the 580 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:14,200 Journal from Australian skeptics this 581 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:18,850 week we're going back to 1989 volume 582 00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:25,660 and on page 25 we find skeptical 583 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:29,060 investigations experiencing a ghost 584 00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:36,570 and of course this reminds us that 585 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:40,179 skepticism isn't about sitting back and 586 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:42,130 reading books loyalty is partly of 587 00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:53,700 during January this year I was invited 588 00:29:00,210 --> 00:28:57,460 to witness the expulsion of spirits from 589 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:00,220 a haunted house outside by desert near 590 00:29:05,790 --> 00:29:02,560 Brisbane I had the opportunity of 591 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:05,800 meeting the medium Glennis who could 592 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:08,410 supposedly communicate with lost souls 593 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:11,560 who had died but never passed through 594 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:14,890 the light on the other side these souls 595 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:18,250 were therefore still roaming around on 596 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,560 this world and frequently performing 597 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:23,200 mischievous deeds I was invited to 598 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:25,270 attend by my friend Nicky who is a 599 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:28,030 professional photographer she was there 600 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:30,310 to photograph the ghosts in the house 601 00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:33,730 for a reporter Joan who was covering the 602 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:36,430 event in order to publish ghost stories 603 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:38,890 in the picture magazine and elsewhere on 604 00:29:44,030 --> 00:29:41,320 the way there the reporter explained 605 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:44,040 that there was no doubt in her mind that 606 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:47,260 supernatural things must occur the 607 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:50,350 reporter had previously told us of the 608 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,250 mediums involvement with a quote 609 00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:55,980 scientific study in quote of 610 00:30:02,100 --> 00:29:58,960 metaphysical events conducted by 611 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,110 Queensland University on questioning the 612 00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:04,720 medium herself in the car she informed 613 00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:06,700 me that it was actually a chap from 614 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:09,430 Griffith University who investigated one 615 00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:13,510 of her contacts with the other side she 616 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:15,460 ridiculed him because he could find 617 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:17,590 nothing supernatural during her 618 00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:21,850 performance I did not let on that I was 619 00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:25,180 a skeptic so I could see a typical 620 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:28,960 spirit exorcism they recounted how the 621 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:31,240 reporter supposedly was pushed out of 622 00:30:35,550 --> 00:30:33,250 the room by a ghost on their last 623 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,560 encounter this sounded too good to be 624 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:37,600 true so I was looking forward to either 625 00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:41,260 a good exhibition or if my luck could be 626 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:44,380 so good a truly amazing physical 627 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:46,630 phenomenon that would bear serious 628 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:49,990 scientific investigation we arrived with 629 00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:51,850 a large chain of electrical storms 630 00:30:57,270 --> 00:30:54,580 lighting up the southern horizon before 631 00:31:01,050 --> 00:30:57,280 we got out of the car Glennis warned us 632 00:31:02,169 --> 00:31:01,060 of the history of this evil house the 633 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:02,179 medium 634 00:31:07,019 --> 00:31:04,220 us to believe that there had been a 635 00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:07,029 string of gruesome murders and suicides 636 00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:10,340 all of which seemed so far over the top 637 00:31:15,129 --> 00:31:12,860 that they were most likely taken out of 638 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:15,139 horror comics or be great horror movies 639 00:31:20,409 --> 00:31:18,740 as an example one fellow suicided by 640 00:31:23,019 --> 00:31:20,419 hanging himself on meat hooks 641 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:23,029 another had stabbed his Alsatian dog to 642 00:31:29,619 --> 00:31:26,200 death under the house make cetera etc 643 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:29,629 when we stepped outside the car the 644 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:33,049 medium saw a blue and white light coming 645 00:31:38,769 --> 00:31:36,049 out of the distant bush she said they 646 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:38,779 were probably spirits arising from the 647 00:31:44,859 --> 00:31:42,409 symmetry in that direction I suggested 648 00:31:46,509 --> 00:31:44,869 that it would be more likely that those 649 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,519 lights were simply Street or house 650 00:31:50,889 --> 00:31:48,740 lights further down the road she agreed 651 00:31:53,109 --> 00:31:50,899 that was a possibility and that we 652 00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:53,119 should investigate before leaving later 653 00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,149 that night not only did this house have 654 00:32:01,539 --> 00:31:59,600 ghosts but last time she was there UFOs 655 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:01,549 were seen coming and going in the 656 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:02,529 western sky 657 00:32:08,889 --> 00:32:06,529 it seemed I'd hit the jackpot as we were 658 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:08,899 about to pass through the front gate she 659 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:12,289 told us we'd feel and smell the evil of 660 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,690 the place just has she'd done on 661 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:17,360 previous occasions she went in first 662 00:32:23,499 --> 00:32:20,990 followed by myself as she predicted she 663 00:32:26,249 --> 00:32:23,509 shuddered at the gate and said she could 664 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:26,259 feel it was going to be a bad night I 665 00:32:32,529 --> 00:32:29,450 couldn't help feeling this was for my 666 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:32,539 benefit to get me in the mood by the 667 00:32:38,499 --> 00:32:35,840 power of suggestion if it was me it 668 00:32:40,779 --> 00:32:38,509 didn't work I felt nothing and told her 669 00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:40,789 so and went on to meet the people who 670 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:46,100 live there haunted house the house was 671 00:32:51,999 --> 00:32:48,820 rented by a Maori woman in her early 30s 672 00:32:53,499 --> 00:32:52,009 16 year old son and two daughters about 673 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:53,509 12 and 8 years old 674 00:32:58,869 --> 00:32:56,330 the husband was away and they were glad 675 00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:58,879 as he thought the whole thing was a load 676 00:33:02,680 --> 00:32:59,690 of hogwash 677 00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:02,690 the lady's mother and father were also 678 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:05,419 there as well as the mediums husband who 679 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:08,330 had arrived to assist her the house was 680 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:11,570 a typical small weatherboard home on 1.5 681 00:33:15,379 --> 00:33:14,090 meter stumps with two tanks a front 682 00:33:18,619 --> 00:33:15,389 veranda and in 683 00:33:21,469 --> 00:33:18,629 need of some simple repairs the medium 684 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,479 first proceeded under the house to find 685 00:33:27,469 --> 00:33:24,320 the leylines with her wire sticks 686 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,479 usually used for so-called water 687 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,419 divining but this had to do with ghosts 688 00:33:35,329 --> 00:33:33,059 she couldn't explain it seemed like 689 00:33:38,299 --> 00:33:35,339 nothing more than a meaningless preamble 690 00:33:40,969 --> 00:33:38,309 attempting unsuccessfully to impress her 691 00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:40,979 small audience she lost interest and 692 00:33:47,089 --> 00:33:43,379 when I remarked that I too knew how 693 00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,099 water divining worked I asked her if 694 00:33:52,099 --> 00:33:49,919 she'd seen a documentary on TV a few 695 00:33:54,459 --> 00:33:52,109 years ago where the country's best 696 00:33:57,259 --> 00:33:54,469 diviners gathered at North Ryde for the 697 00:33:59,599 --> 00:33:57,269 $30,000 prize money available for 698 00:34:02,239 --> 00:33:59,609 diviners who could consistently find 699 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:02,249 underground water the diviners believed 700 00:34:07,489 --> 00:34:05,070 it was a cinch until they were tested 701 00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,499 scientifically only to find that not one 702 00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:10,079 of them could get much above chance let 703 00:34:16,089 --> 00:34:14,159 alone a hit every time as an aside of 704 00:34:20,109 --> 00:34:16,099 course he's referring to the documentary 705 00:34:24,099 --> 00:34:20,119 James Randi in Australia from 1980 706 00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:24,109 classic of water divining and skeptical 707 00:34:29,659 --> 00:34:27,149 investigations and testing and if you 708 00:34:31,759 --> 00:34:29,669 just googled James Randi in Australia 709 00:34:35,539 --> 00:34:31,769 you will find that documentary on 710 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:35,549 YouTube we read on on entering the house 711 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,129 she explained to the family that she got 712 00:34:43,579 --> 00:34:40,440 rid of the ghosts last time and that 713 00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:43,589 they shouldn't be afraid I asked if she 714 00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:46,500 could get rid of Dan permanently oh yes 715 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:49,349 she replied firmly then why are we here 716 00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:53,250 now I asked innocently in contradiction 717 00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:55,139 to her previous statement she replied 718 00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,529 that they can come back especially if 719 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:00,119 you need to justify a bit more 720 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,089 photography for a story I thought 721 00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:04,980 strangely this family which reportedly 722 00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:08,339 was so affected by the ghosts seemed not 723 00:35:17,059 --> 00:35:12,839 the least bit perturbed to me the 724 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:17,069 exorcism the medium walked into one of 725 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:19,890 the bedrooms and asked me to hold her 726 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:22,970 torch her husband stood close to her and 727 00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:27,720 soon she began to quiver and go into an 728 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:30,599 parent trance she then muttered some 729 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:33,210 aggressive words in a distorted voice 730 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,020 and thrashed around a little while her 731 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:38,880 husband stood behind her telling the 732 00:35:45,859 --> 00:35:43,050 spirit possessing her that it must go to 733 00:35:49,099 --> 00:35:45,869 the light where it can find peace and 734 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:49,109 pass through to the other side it must 735 00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:51,330 have done just as he suggested because 736 00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:54,990 she soon recovered as she slumped in a 737 00:36:01,580 --> 00:35:58,260 chair the medium and her husband kept 738 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:01,590 commenting that the spirit was a real 739 00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:05,190 bad one if that meager episode was so 740 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:08,369 bad I hope they never go and see the 741 00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,190 movie poltergeist as they would surely 742 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:13,800 have a cardiac arrest before half-time I 743 00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:17,310 must admit to a great temptation to bang 744 00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:19,109 on a really good acting job together 745 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:21,990 with some special effects lighting sound 746 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:24,930 to make them think a real wild spirit 747 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:27,090 had possessed me and scare the hell out 748 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:28,890 of them it would have been most 749 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,510 interesting to see such people's 750 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:32,700 reaction especially if the spirit 751 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:35,190 condemned them for faking contact with 752 00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:38,910 its world and warned them never to do so 753 00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:42,180 again this boring show was conducted 754 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,550 twice more that night most of the 755 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,710 household didn't even bother to watch I 756 00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:48,960 didn't blame them if they'd seen it 757 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,440 before earlier that night I was told by 758 00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:54,560 the reporter that the mediums voice 759 00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,750 changed completely from one spirit to 760 00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,480 another and she could talk with accents 761 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:02,400 and slang peculiar to the earliest 762 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,490 settlers so I looked forward to this 763 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:07,440 aspect of the night's entertainment I 764 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:10,980 was bitterly disappointed our medium 765 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:13,170 simply distorted her voice to sound 766 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:15,650 lower and more gravelly more menacing 767 00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,150 regardless of whether it was a male or 768 00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:21,060 female spirit the lack of creativity was 769 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:21,599 appalling 770 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,680 the final spirit cleansing was done in a 771 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:27,839 bedroom where the photographer had asked 772 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:29,910 me to replace the hanging light bulb 773 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:33,450 with a UV light bulb for effect this was 774 00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,730 the climax so she had to fall to the 775 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:37,800 floor with this one much to the 776 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:39,390 disappointment of myself and the 777 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:40,470 reporter 778 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:42,930 all the mediums husband could say was 779 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,190 quote go to the light men quote no 780 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:50,640 questions were asked the spirit snow 781 00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:54,510 land said to us quote you all think this 782 00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:56,099 is a joke don't you 783 00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,160 end quote ghosts 784 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:02,280 the reporter claimed that she saw an 785 00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:04,890 elderly woman lying on the bed and hoped 786 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:07,619 the camera had recorded it even though 787 00:38:11,809 --> 00:38:09,569 no one else could see it including the 788 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:11,819 medium the reporter and the medium 789 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:13,470 couldn't agree about the appearance of 790 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:15,770 the ghost lo and behold nothing 791 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,930 extraordinary turned up on the film it 792 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,880 was said that the two young girls had 793 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:23,520 been terrified by a ghost which had 794 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:25,530 lifted the end of their bed and shaken 795 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:27,510 it so violently that they were being 796 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,390 thrown up and down this sounded 797 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:32,640 impressive the stuff I was looking for I 798 00:38:37,579 --> 00:38:35,310 asked the girls on their own if they had 799 00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,589 seen any ghosts whether they had ever 800 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:40,560 had the bed shake or been thrown off and 801 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:44,510 they answered no to all my questions 802 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,250 during a discussion with everyone in the 803 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:49,440 lounge it became apparent that the 804 00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:51,510 grandmother was the main perpetrator of 805 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,839 these tales she was the one who would 806 00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:57,780 see the ghosts in detail going to have a 807 00:39:03,920 --> 00:38:59,730 shower and other such things 808 00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:03,930 the boy had heard only some noises the 809 00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:06,990 merry grandfather believed but had not 810 00:39:12,609 --> 00:39:09,960 seen them and his daughter said she 811 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:12,619 believed in ghosts but had difficulty 812 00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:16,170 recounting convincing occurrences the 813 00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:18,030 grandmother was scaring the youngest 814 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,099 girl by making her believe that the 815 00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:22,440 house was full of ghosts and that she 816 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:24,990 would protect her granddaughter if any 817 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:27,810 tried to kill her I thought this was a 818 00:39:33,859 --> 00:39:30,930 bit much the children's mother had baked 819 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:33,869 a cake for the occasion and seemed to me 820 00:39:37,579 --> 00:39:35,849 to be treating the ghost as simply an 821 00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:37,589 excuse for some visitors and the 822 00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:39,480 possibility of some small degree of 823 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:43,500 notoriety in a pulp magazine I reminded 824 00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,510 them that we should investigate the 825 00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,000 spirit lights in the cemetery before 826 00:39:52,819 --> 00:39:50,700 leaving even though the storm was just 827 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:52,829 breaking over head-on reluctantly 828 00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,150 driving down the 829 00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:56,460 they were disappointed that the lights 830 00:40:02,090 --> 00:39:59,490 were coming from some houses past the 831 00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:02,100 cemetery on returning past the cemetery 832 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,670 the median exclaimed quote did you see 833 00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:07,980 that people are things moving about the 834 00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:11,430 cemetery in quote we reversed and got 835 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:13,860 her spotlight from the boot it was 836 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:15,930 simply the reflections of our headlights 837 00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:19,670 off the wet headstones on the way home 838 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:22,830 even the reporter and the medium said 839 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,770 that they were of the opinion that quote 840 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:27,720 the grandmother brings the ghosts with 841 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:30,210 her when she comes and takes them home 842 00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:36,970 and there is a picture accompanying this 843 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,060 story of a very brightly lit background 844 00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:43,760 with the foreground somebody standing in 845 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:46,700 the foreground it's not very clear and 846 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:51,170 the caption says medium Glennis McKay 847 00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:52,670 standing in front of a ghostly 848 00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:56,329 apparition she and author friend Joan 849 00:41:01,329 --> 00:40:58,940 Starr believed that the brilliant light 850 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:01,339 in this photograph is proof of a ghost 851 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:04,250 summoned by the medium they claim that 852 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:07,250 the ghosts eyes are slightly dark 853 00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:10,010 hollows silhouetted against the ceiling 854 00:41:14,859 --> 00:41:12,349 and its shoulders and arms are the 855 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:14,869 portions extended beyond the edge of the 856 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:18,980 room and across venice's face I believe 857 00:41:24,339 --> 00:41:21,530 that no light was on at the time of the 858 00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,349 exposure and the light source was that 859 00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,920 of the ghost in fact obtaining the 860 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:30,079 negative it was discovered that light 861 00:41:35,859 --> 00:41:32,290 hanging in the center of the passageway 862 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:35,869 was on reflecting off a painting behind 863 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,450 the mediums face a door at the end of 864 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:40,160 the hall the opposite wall of the 865 00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:41,900 passage and the ceiling where 866 00:41:47,769 --> 00:41:45,349 undulations created the eyes of the 867 00:41:54,709 --> 00:41:51,739 and that was experiencing a ghost house 868 00:41:58,669 --> 00:41:54,719 written by Greg Thompson way back in 869 00:42:00,409 --> 00:41:58,679 1989 so 30 years ago volume 9 number 3 870 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:00,419 of the skeptic magazine the journal from 871 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,349 and you can read so much more in the 872 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:09,920 pages of the skeptic magazine at 873 00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:29,940 [Music] 874 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:32,680 thank you for listening to the skeptics 875 00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:38,210 own podcast that was episode 549 next 876 00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:42,740 week will be episode 550 550 I guess 877 00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:44,950 that's a milestone a killer meter peg 878 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:47,900 however you want to say it I'm not sure 879 00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:49,970 what it means I think it means that 880 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:51,470 we're going to have some interviews and 881 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,490 reports as normal this episode I had 882 00:43:01,570 --> 00:42:57,760 hoped to speak to Jessica Singer about 883 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:01,580 her experiences in London and skeptics 884 00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:04,280 in the pub well that interviews been 885 00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:06,830 held over until the next show I also 886 00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:08,660 hope to chat to our friends from the 887 00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:11,720 Merseyside skeptics who are going to be 888 00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:14,420 celebrating 10 years and of course I'll 889 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:16,220 be bringing you a report from the flu 890 00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,210 vaccination day and that just remind you 891 00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,119 is on the 4th Saturday the 4th of May 892 00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,720 Star Wars day here in Sydney and again 893 00:43:30,970 --> 00:43:28,160 if you'd like to come along if you're in 894 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:30,980 Sydney for your flu vaccination I'll be 895 00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:32,450 rolling up my sleeve and more than one 896 00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,030 way there'll be a link in this week's 897 00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:37,760 show notes actually following the flu 898 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:39,830 vaccination day I'll be heading for 899 00:43:45,550 --> 00:43:43,250 Maynard's Love Shack number 2 hope to 900 00:43:48,070 --> 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00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:29,030 you've been listening to the skeptic 915 00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:31,950 zone podcast please visit our website at 916 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:38,640 wwlp.com tax and to access the bat 917 00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:42,140 catalog of episodes going back to 2008 918 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:44,820 you can follow the skeptic zone podcast 919 00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:48,089 on twitter at skeptic zone visit our 920 00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:50,369 facebook page or leave a review on 921 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,260 itunes 922 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:53,940 you can also support the skeptic zone 923 00:45:00,040 --> 00:44:57,330 via patreon or PayPal the skeptic zone 924 00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,050 podcast is an independent production 925 00:45:04,579 --> 00:45:02,430 reviews and opinions expressed on the 926 00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,589 skeptic zone are not necessarily those 927 00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,900 of Australian skeptics or any other 928 00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:08,700 skeptical organisation 929 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:23,070 hold on folks hold on I'm with may not 930 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:26,290 here and we are just trying or Maynard's 931 00:45:31,530 --> 00:45:28,990 trying Twinkies for the first time may 932 00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:31,540 not look all these Americans that say 933 00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:34,660 smart things about must expose dicks 934 00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:36,430 they taste like deer poo 935 00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:39,400 well Twinkies are not much better let me 936 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:40,900 tell you I've been having two of these 937 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:44,410 and they're not unflavored full but 938 00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:47,170 they're horrible and they've got shaving 939 00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:50,260 cream inside them which is flavored by 940 00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:53,980 some non-dairy petrochemical by-product 941 00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:58,780 that it's yeah look it's okay um look if 942 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:00,940 you're you've had to I had to you had to 943 00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,350 have an one but you had to have another 944 00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:04,000 one just to make sure yes and there was 945 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,040 260 calories in that because they're 946 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:08,200 American kilojoules people get with it 947 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:10,210 there's only you and one small island in 948 00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:12,130 the Caribbean that still uses Imperial 949 00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,660 but yeah and you wish you had in a 950 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:15,280 revolution to kick out the English and 951 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:16,930 the king how come you're so quick to 952 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:19,720 adoptee imperial measurement system and 953 00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:21,670 by the way wasn't who Darth Vader was 954 00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:23,980 with I think that's right but you're 955 00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:25,470 just laughing when you were reading the 956 00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:27,460 nutrition oh yeah and they spread that 957 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:29,710 out here um this is two Twinkies which 958 00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,320 is to the cakes wrapped I'm sure you've 959 00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:35,440 had which I've had and and as time goes 960 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:36,820 on there's an aftertaste to them so I 961 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:38,050 can understand if you didn't like the 962 00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:39,880 musk stick which is an Australian thing 963 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:41,950 you'd spit them out yeah I could 964 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:43,480 understand that now I think some of this 965 00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:45,490 alleged cream that's in them but I love 966 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:48,520 how this like dietary fiber zero vitamin 967 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,570 a 0% vitamin C zero percent calcium two 968 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:54,400 percent and there is four percent iron 969 00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:56,200 that was probably deposited there by the 970 00:47:00,660 --> 00:46:58,690 machines that made the machine what if 971 00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,670 it doesn't have something like vitamin A 972 00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:02,800 and vitamin C why put it there I think 973 00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:04,180 you would find there's a labeling 974 00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:06,550 requirement that most foods of a certain 975 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:08,080 type have to have that so even if it's 976 00:47:12,510 --> 00:47:10,570 zero you should be letting no you aren't 977 00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:12,520 getting any of that I must admit these 978 00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:14,740 are the standard Twinkies we're trying 979 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:16,600 at the moment which is the the goal 980 00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:17,910 which what to say 981 00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:20,860 individually wrapped cakes golden sponge 982 00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:22,780 cake with creamy filling I do like their 983 00:47:27,390 --> 00:47:25,360 mascot but yes Twinkie the kid 984 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:27,400 rinkie the kinky the kid is sort of 985 00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:30,010 wearing a sort of 80s 986 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:32,590 gay disco outfit kind of thing and he's 987 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:34,510 got a double band downer on and it's off 988 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:36,070 to one side which probably means 989 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:38,050 something in the hankie code now I know 990 00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:40,090 you don't know the hankie code is but 991 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:41,830 believe you me this is out there check 992 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,750 out the hankie code on Twinkie the kid 993 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,000 and you'll find out what he's into or 994 00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:48,160 not into I really don't know about these 995 00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,380 things folks but I tell you what I did 996 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:52,480 also bring back to Australia I brought 997 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:55,510 back these golden sponge Twinkies and I 998 00:48:00,210 --> 00:47:57,250 brought back chocolate Twinkies 999 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:00,220 chocolate and I tried one and I must 1000 00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:02,290 admit if I had to choose between the two 1001 00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:05,380 I would choose the golden ones yeah and 1002 00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:07,420 how many calories was then them even 1003 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:11,020 more I imagine yes well the guy I just